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Poster: kdern Date: Nov 4, 2011 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I'm on my 4th or 5th show from the E72 collection and am finding that they all sounding somewhat the same. After listening to shows from 71, 73 and 76, the E72 shows all sound so rehearsed, clean, etc. Just not much variety from show to show...

Anyone else?

This post was modified by kdern on 2011-11-04 15:45:49

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 5, 2011 8:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

See Cliff's Europe 72 notebook . The "short song" sections, do seem, though incredibly well played , to be much alike .Some of this might have been due to the making of the album, wanting to get useable versions of the songs, but some of it is that in the pre 76/77 era you get a lot of repeats each night .If you listen to a bunch of 73 shows nigh to night , you get the same sort of "oh, another Bobby McGee" .
The "Jam" sections ( the Dark Stars, and Other Ones) , if followed closely , are different each night . One of the joys of this set, has been the noticing the different places they take these musical giants .
After I go though this 2nd listen through, I don't think I will listen to these show sequentially again . Then the short songs will seem less repetitive .

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

well, pig was still with them which made for some interesting pocket ball, drag home the chickadee next to you dialogue.

But

I can identify with some of the less interesting feeling, you mentioned when it comes to E72. The tour was a much more strait foreward, practiced, polished, play it like the album! tour than anything else they had done previously to that point. personally I have never been a fan of the country boogie woogie pop twinge the E72 shows have. The vocals lilt toward the country jug band zone, and jerry's guitar has more of a southern squawk than before or after.

The band really was 'searching for the sound' and luckily nothing seemed to stick for more than a year or two, so we can have these discussions and eras to comb over.

peace

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 4, 2011 8:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

this was done intentionally, to expose new crowds of people across europe to their music. the 2nd sets are where the real magic is. the setlists can certainly get boring do to their repetitive nature, but i assure you the quality of playing is about as good as it gets.

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Poster: kdern Date: Nov 4, 2011 8:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I agree that the playing is fantastic... there's just not a lot of variety. Kind of thinking that 3 or 4 shows from E 72 is all I really need.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I think what you have to keep in mind is the fact that when they set out to play these shows they did not consider for one moment that forty years later a bunch of obsessive compulsives would sit at home playing one show after the other and fretting about the lack of variety.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

Quite an insightful observation! Let's face it, the majority of these recordings were never even intended to be released in any format. The fact that we can sit here and obsess over them 40 years later, is in of it self, pretty remarkable.

But if you don't mind, I will sit here and continue to do just that, because I am an OCD nutbag of the highest order...

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

haha excellent point rob. but what else would be doing?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

Nicely stated, I can always count on you to distill it down to the core.

My Dad calls this phenomenon "being the victim of astute observation"

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I like the sound of your dad.

It doubtless comes as a surprise to many that the self-same technology that spreads these riches before us has also gifted us such marvels as 'track selection' and 'skip'.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: being the victim of astute observation...

Know & LOVE the concept ;)

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Nov 4, 2011 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

Now that is a funny post.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 4, 2011 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Consistency; what else would you strive for?

This was what I was getting at with SDH the other day...if you listen to shows from 76, 77 & 78, there is consistency, not "gem" and "clunker"...in the same week, much less the yr. IMHO, at the time. Haven't listend to them in at least five yrs.

He maintains it was diff in the 80s and 90s, and he would know, as I did not tour then...

But, I always found shows of a run, one wk at Winterland, to be very consistent. I never found myself say, "wow, last night sucked, but tonight is GREAT!"

I view 72Euro as one extended run.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 4, 2011 1:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Consistency; what else would you strive for?

There is no question the boys lost more and more consistency as they entered the late 70's. They still had the ability to throw together a run of really good shows (ie Fall 79, IMHO), but the clunkers began appearing more and more frequently. Like your experience lies in a time where consistency was more the rule, mine was where when you did get a gem, you never forgot it, but you sure as hell did the clunkers. Nights like Richmond 85 I can almost remember note for note, others I have a hard time remembering even going to. Now I must say that despite shows being lackluster, I never failed to get my moneysworth out of a show, which usually had more to do with the overall event then anyting else. This continued even through the "dark days" at the end. Yes, what was going on in front of me was kind of sad, but I was still surrounded by people I had grown quite close to over many miles of shared joy and they made it more than worth it. Late Era Dead: You'll come for the music, but stay for the family. Shoe-pukers notwithstanding, of course.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2011 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Consistency; what else would you strive for?

Karma caught up with the shoe puker - think he got the clap.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-11-01.oade.connor.9217.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 4, 2011 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Consistency; what else would you strive for?

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

- Oscar Wilde

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I find Europe 72 to be their most majestic tour ever. The band was beautifully in sync. And there's PLENTY of mind blowing jams in the second set to counter any repitition. Also, there was a lot of repitition in a lot of years with shows that were half the length of these ones - Sailor/Saint, Lazy Lightenin every night?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 4, 2011 9:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

Can we hear it for a good ol' Alabama Getaway set opener in the 80's? Always a find choice.



(gag)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I'll see your 'Bama Getaway and raise you a Day Job encore.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 4, 2011 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Call!!

I'll see your "Day Job", raise you a "100 Million, Billion Tons of Steel" and trump all with some of those extra aces floating around in 'Deal'

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Call!!

And the river card is....

One More Saturday Night

I knew I should have folded.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

I like Day Job because it pissed off Deadheads : )

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

Go listen to Good Lovin from Bickershaw and get back to me.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 4, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Anyone else find E72 shows less interesting than others?

if i were to recommend only one piece from the whole tour, it would have to be the caution>who do you love>truckin>ujb from rotterdam on 05/11. that good lovin' is very good indeed, but i like the original material better, and lovin' was not very new to the repertoire, and not as exciting imo.

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